What does it really take to be a woman in ministry today? In this combined episode of Sunburnt Souls: A Christian Mental Health Podcast, Dave sits down with co-pastor and wife Jess Quak and emerging leader Maddy Mandell for a candid, two-part conversation on calling, leadership, and mental wellbeing. They trace the journey from “not yet” to “now,” unpack denominational hurdles, tokenism, and advocacy, and talk practical rhythms that protect mental health—supervision, therapy, rest, exercise, spiritual practices, and community. With honest stories about burnout, identity, collaboration, and the joy of mentoring the next generation, Jess and Maddy share hard-won wisdom for anyone discerning a call, leading in church spaces, or supporting women in leadership.